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Talk:Anagram
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I created this entry on December 11, 2005 and put a false anagram to see if anyone bothered to delete it, but yet it remained in this page until May 28, 2006. Claire Littleton does not anagram to Little Acolite, but yet it remained, because it seemed to fit some people's speculation. This is an example of wishful thinking, it is convenient, so I won't check if it is true. --GodEmperorOfHell 06:46, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
Can anyone do anything with "Benjamin Linus"? Seems like there's something to be found in that. Was thinking along the lines of "Jin is unable" or something like that, but that leaves out a few letters. Anyone? --HansoChristian
"Jinni's Albumen" (from the egg of a genie?)
"Nuns lie in jamb" (he makes nuns sleep in doorways?)
"Annuls me in jib" (Could be a reference to kicking the Losties off the sailboat?)
"Nil bum in jeans" (He has a small backside?)
--Wintermute 08:17, 18 October 2006 (PDT)
- Hey, in the context of his spinal tumor, that last one is actually pretty interesting.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 23:52, 21 February 2007 (PST)
How does Henry Gale Minnesota = See an Other Man lying? It's close, but there's an extra "H" in the first set, so this is not a true anagram. Though cute. --PandoraX 15:45, 12 November 2006 (PST) -what extra H? --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 00:20, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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Probability
Using internet anagram solvers, a vast number of meaningless anagrams can be generated for practically any string of 5 or more letters. I suggest we stick to anagrams of confirmed significance or highly plausible anagrams (e.g. 2 words anagramming to 1 or 2 others that make sense in context). Otherwise the anagram game is worse than astrology - retrofitting anagrams from choices of thousands to existing facts or theories. Dubbin 07:26, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
- Strongly agree with this; especially, I think we should get rid of anagrams of names that were not invented for the show (Damon Lindhof, Geronimo Jackson), but even with names from within LOST, I think we should limit it to anagrams that we have good reason to believe were deliberate. Things that reference plot points that develop seasons after the character was originally meant to have been written out are not exactly useful. I've just added some random anagrams for Desmond, as much as anything to see how easy it was, and how many people can read something into it, but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they disappeared along with about 90% of this page. --Wintermute 05:06, 26 November 2007 (PST)
"Aaron Littleton" is an anagram of "A literal non-tot". --Wintermute 12:22, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
What about anagrams from the Lost experience?
I think they should be added to the anagram article. Is that OK?
Cleanup
Some of these are just ridiculous. For example "Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications = Penelope hits Desmond after Antarctica crisis. Ruler not a pharma". There needs to be clearer distinction between which are confirmed, deliberate anagrams (Ethan Rom, Wally Bolé, etc) and those that are just conjecture.--TechNic|talk|conts 14:55, 1 March 2008 (PST)
- As far as I know, the only "confirmed" anagrams are Ethan Rom, Gary Troup, and Mittlose. What do you mean by confirmed? --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 11:49, 2 March 2008 (PST)
- Well in all honesty I don't really know. I'd just like to see some of the really daft ones weeded out. Maybe they simply need to be moved to Anagram/Theories instead. I think it's fair to say that a lot of the anagrams on the page were not intended by the writers. Allowing the page to be a free-for-all is hardly encyclopedic and basically just Apophenia. (Wow! "Lostpedia.com" = "I am plot codes." - Maybe I should put that on the article!)--TechNic|talk|conts 17:21, 2 March 2008 (PST)
- I agree that some are way out there, but there's no way for us to know which are "offical" and which are not, beyond the three confirmed I mentioned above. Some could go either way. I don't think theories is the right place to put any "non official" anagrams, and any trimming of anagrams would be done by opinion of what is and isn't important, which is even less encyclopedic.--Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 21:51, 2 March 2008 (PST)
Wickmund Anagram
Should this really be here? Its says 'Wickmund: Mindf*ck Only when replacing the W with an F.' this is not an anagram. an anagram can only use the ORIGINAL letters. I think it should be deleted.
- It is not an anagram, true. When I did a clean up of the page I thought about deleting it but left it because it was interesting and no one had said anything against it. Though now that there is a second voice, I think it'll be safe to delete. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 09:34, 5 March 2008 (PST)
Thanks-User:AndrewMcK666
Discussion
Reformatting article from a list into a table. "Possible/Other Anagrams" will be a section of anagrams that don't quite make sense, and will still be in list format. -- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 12:07, 6 March 2008 (PST)
- If we're going to have a section called "Logical Anagrams", shouldn't there be some justification for each one? Example: How is Charlie Pace = Cereal Chips logical, it has nothing to do with anything. I really think this page needs to be all or nothing, because as I've said before in discussion, there are only 3 confirmed anagrams, and who are we to decide what the writers intended? --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 13:04, 6 March 2008 (PST)
By logical I mean the anagram makes sense grammatically. Like the anagram "Dad videoed Sun, hmm?" for Benjamin Linus would be included in the other section. -- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 13:11, 6 March 2008 (PST)
- Grammatical correctness shouldn't be the issue. "Moved hidden as mud" makes no sense grammatically and you've put it in the "logical section". --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 20:45, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- Also "Dad videoed Sun, hmm = Desmond David Hume not Benjamin Linus. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 20:46, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- Yes I know, I was still trying to figure out how to do something when I had those names up there. -- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 12:00, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
- Has anyone else noticed that "Charlotte Lewis" only contains 14 letters, while "Steals Walt's helicopter" has 21 letters? How can this be put up as a logical anagram? My anagram I proposed for "Galzethron" (A Long Hertz) was deleted from the theories section without any discussion that I saw. It ties in with the 11-hertz setting required for Daniel's machine. "Hollister", the student Daniel was talking to in 1994, is an anagram for "Others Ill". I had proposed that the Others will become ill or are already ill. These are both plausible (I believe), and are a heck of a lot more relevant than "Cereal Chips" for Charlie. Who the heck is deciding which anagrams stay and go?
I've enjoyed reading theories and discussions on lostpedia in the past, but my theories being brushed aside while utterly retarded ones stay up has shaken my faith a bit. This will probably be deleted before it generates a lot of discussion, but at least I've said it.--Stan the Man 13:47, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
Article To Do List:
- Replace current black picture with a good wide shot of Anthony Cooper/Adam Seward.
- If anyone would like to reformat the table into the CharPortalAA format, feel free.
- Theories page needs some work.
-- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 10:01, 6 March 2008 (PST)
Thanks
For reformatting the article, it looks great. Sorry for the long absence, something unexpected came up and I had to stay in the hosptial over the week end :( -- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 12:01, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
New Look
I must say, the article looks good. I'm still not sure what defines logical anagrams versus possible anagrams though. Also, there were anagrams completely removed that make more sense than some that stayed or were added. Are they coming back or were they cut for a reason? I'd put them back in myself, but I'm terrible at tables in wiki. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 11:15, 13 March 2008 (PDT)
Delete
Delete: There are few anagrams in the results that are anything but meaningless strings of words. I don't know if any of them except for Mittelos and Ethen Rom, which are addressed elsewhere, are even correct. I deleted the anagram for Abaddon as a part of correcting the spelling.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 12:32, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Strong keep: This is a legitimate article. There have been many confirmed anagrams on lost. If you want to remove some of these anagrams, simply discuss it on the talk page. -- Sam T C 12:34, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Cleanup : Remove all the fan based ones, and only leave the factual ones... Ethan Rom / Mittleos / Hoffs Drawler... etc Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:47, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Perhaps there could be a separate section for logical anagrams as well? -- Sam T C 16:48, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Who defines logical? Who defines factual?--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 18:02, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- I think it should be fairly obvious what factual anagrams are. These are the ones confirmed directly by the producers. There are about five of these. And logical would mean that they have some coherent sense in the context of the show (such as "A real lie used upon us" or "An other perhaps.") -- Sam T C 18:08, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Okay, we're talking about "Producer verified anagrams" and "Coherent anagrams". That's a start.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 18:24, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Rebuild underway. Pls nominate producer verified and coherent--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 19:05, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- Does it make sense to include Carleton Cuse and, potentially, other real people associated with the show? We can accept that "Ethan Rom" was intended to mean "other man," but did Mr. Cuse's parents name him so that thirty-odd years later his name could be anagrammed into a Lost-related phrase?--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 07:31, 7 July 2008 (PDT)
- I think those were intended just for fun. -- Sam T C 07:33, 7 July 2008 (PDT)
- Keep. I too agree with Sam, this is a legit article, and I hope my edit of it down to the core of the true anagrams will help to keep it around. It just needs ot be patrolled to ensure the speculative nature of anagramming doesn't get out of hand. I am certain there will be more anagrams that will appear throughout the show.
Kevrock talk contribs 12:34, 13 August 2008 (PDT)
Fanon
I think this article should be made fanon! bringlibbyandcharlieback Talk Contribs 13:03, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- If delete doesn't work, I'll sign up for Fanon.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 18:05, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
- I removed all the non-verified anagrams from the article. I believe these should go under the theories tab or in a separate article labeled as speculation/fanon.
Kevrock talk contribs 11:50, 14 July 2008 (PDT)

