Talk:Four-toed statue

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Implications

Sayid comments: "I don't know what is more disquieting; the fact that the rest of the statue is missing or that it has four toes."

I find it interesting that he emphasized these two points. That the rest of the statue is missing has some interesting implications.

  • Normally when there are incomplete stone ruins, the pieces were scavenged to build other structures. This seems unlikely as there seem to be very few stone structures on the island. There also doesn't seem to be anyplace for the other foot to stand.
    • It's the left foot (note the big toe) - there is sufficient room on the platform for the missing right foot. --The CyberSlug 08:56, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
    • It looks to me that there was more of a base that was broken off. The space next to the foot looks smooth enough as to be unlikely that there was anything there before. If there was another foot and/or more of a base, the missing debris is still ... well, missing. --Doc 12:38, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
    • I think it is implied to be old, like ruins, or at least made to look old. If it was ruins, then errosion or many other factors (war?) could account for why we dont see the rest of it or the place where the other foot was.
  • The statue could have been brought in from another site as it currently is, but That's a lot of weight to bring across the ocean.
  • This leaves the option that it was constructed in place to be an incomplete statue. Strange, but plausible.

The fact that it has four toes in connection with the above says that the builders made an incomplete statue, sort of mock-ruins, imitating a classical style, but with an aspect that is odd or even comical. This says that the statue was made either as an act of whimsey by a great power, or as some sort of blatant and durable clue.

If it's a clue then I have no idea what it means. --Doc 08:24, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I wonder why Sayid was 'disquieted'. If I saw one, I'd say, "Huh. Foot." And then if I even noticed the toes, I'd say, "Huh. Must be a construction issue." --Carl

He's not a native speaker; does 'disquieted' have another synonym in Iraqui? (something along the lines of "I've got a bad feeling about this") —Dmuk § 12:01, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

If you look closely at the statue, you can notice that the "pinky" toe is not the same as the others. The edge of the toe has a huge gash in it that goes into the sandle, and the shape is different as well (no toenail area is visible). It almost looks as if there was another part of the statue (another toe?) between the two which was removed and then the rest of the statue smashed together. --Pilotbread

I just noticed something else. The statue appears to be made of a light colored rock or concrete. Neither one matches a scenario of it being the ruins of an ancient statue made on the island. Being volcanic, the island's rock is black. --Doc 08:50, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Concrete is a very real construction possiblity. The Romans made concrete from volcanic ash, pumice and limestone, none of which are terribly hard to find on a volcanic island. --Absalom 11:49, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Yes, but I somehow doubt the Romans ever made it to Polynesia, or that ancient islanders developed concrete independantly (the formula for concrete was lost before the middle ages, and was only rediscovered in modern times). --Doc 12:35, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Not only that, but pumice is light and porous, easy to break off and/or carry around. --Amberjet11 11:44, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Pumice is light in weight, but not light enough in color. The statue looks like it's made of limestone or a light-colored granite (or the aformentioned concrete). --Doc 12:35, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

    • If we are to assume that the foot is truly ancient (on the order of 1000-2000 years old) then concrete doesn't seem to be a likely material. The fragment we see shows very little weathering. If we assume that the statue is made of naturally occurring materials and that it is that old I think we have to assume it is carved from granite. --Frieze 09:33, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

First Impressions

My first thought was.. 'wow.. ok.. that was unexpected.'

My second thought was.. 'is that here just to mess with us.. and give us something to wildly specualte about so we can create some wild theory.'

To me theres not a massive amount you can say about the thing.. i just hope it has a proper explanation.. and not just a device to keep us going nuts till season 3 starts. :P

--MRNasher

The sight of this thing floored me. In fact, it was probably the single most intense "Holy shit!" moment of the season finale for me. I think the show has been focused on all things Dharma and The Others for so long, that we've overlooked that there are much more mysterious things on the island - and if the Statue is any indication, much older things too.

I thought I was ready for a break from the show. I was wrong! --Y2mckay 08:13, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

My first impression was that Walt created the foot (and who knows what else) because he has the ability to conjure up polar bears and rare birds from whatever he's been reading. Maybe Ms. Klugh had given Walt some drawing materials to occupy him, and Walt, being a kid, just left out the fifth toe. I also find it curious that Sayid has to point out the four toes to us, as if we wouldn't have spotted it and speculated endlessly about it without his help. --afs123 19:43, 11 September 2006 (CST)

Merge with The Statue

Is done. -- [Ernest] 13:03, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

similar description from book and definitely not statue of liberty

In Headlong Hall by Thomas Love Peacock: "Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining: there were many here once."

Maybe Walt read the book and "realized" the statue while with The Others?

Someone mentioned that it might be the statue of liberty (harking to Planet of the Apes) but it is too disimilar with rounder toes, no drape and sandals.

I'll have to read that. Also regarding the statue of liberty, the lost statue is made of stone and the statue of liberty is made of copper, so there's probably no reason to connect them. But I wouldn't hold it past the lost writers.DrodJenkins 12:50, 30 June 2007 (PDT)

Percy Bysshe Shelley's "Ozymandias"

This is exactly what I thought of as soon as I saw the stone foot! Would it be worth noting that Shelley didn't know how to swim, and drowned to death while boating with his wife and friends?

  • "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: / Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" --Amberjet11 13:55, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

My thoughts also. Poor Ozymandias thought he was better than God but his great work was destroyed by time. However, the poem does say "two vast and trunkless legs". Not "one big ass foot with four toes". --Rayne 16:29, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Simpsons Theory

I don't think the statue is at all related to The Simpsons, but to say that it's ridiculous because of the different networks is ridiculous. LOST has referenced the English version of The Office, been referenced by the American version, South Park references The Simpsons (as do other shows), Family Guy and other shows. Writers do these kinds of things all the time regardless of what network a show may be on.

Yeah but on those shows they've mentioned Lost in passing, and as parody. Plus the shows you mentioned all deal with current pop culture as well, which Lost is a big part of these days. I just doubt that we'll have some big reveal related to the simpsons. For that matter I also doubt that we'll have a character go "Hey that looks just like Homer's foot!" Levid37 02:20, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
I think you're exactly right, and I said I don't think it's at all related to The Simpsons, but my point is to whoever said that it is ridiculous simply because of the networks involved. That just doesn't make any sense. Your reasons, however do make sense.--Jrh1972 07:16, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Actually, the Simpsons, the Office and Lost are all broadcast by the BBC.--Bernini 09:15, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Well, BBC used to broadcast the Simpsons, Channel 4 have had it for the past couple of years though. Channel 4 also broadcast Lost. So, umm, it's only the Office that is broadcast by the BBC. I also doubt that the statue is any sort of reference to the Simpsons, or anything like that - most of the references in Lost are slightly more historical. And if it was, they would probably introduce it with a funny moment, I imagine Hurley saying "Dude.. is that Homer's foot?!" (quote Levid37). I think most people are agreed that it isn't related to the Simpsons? Personally I don't think the foot is that significant.

I actually do agree that it is highly unkely a ABC show would reference a FOX show. Perhaps they would mention it in passing, but not in a significant way like this. Seriously, come on the Simpsons. I know its fun to theorize, but if it ever comes out that The Statue is related to the Simpsons it would ruin the whole credibility of the show. --Bigtimehotshot

There is also a small reference to the Simpsons in the Episode 'Dave' on Season 2. Hurley asks for medicine for his hallucinations, and Sawyer tells how much food he got and that he could open up a mini mart. With the remark: "hey do you think Sayid needs a job?" A reference to Apu? Who knows. :)

Does anyone seriously put any stock into the "reference to the Simpsons" theory? I seriously doubt we'll get a flashback where the statue was a big Homer Simpson. I mean come on, that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

No, that is ridiculous. Lost is an ABC show, the Simpsons is FOX. Networks don't do that kind of free advertising for each other.


Cerberus Theory

That it is one of the front feet of Cerberus Ref. the post finale podcast that we have seen the monster but not known what we were looking at Joesoap

Possibly not an animal foot as it seems to be wearing a sandle from the ankle bindings Joesoap

Trivia Trivia

Moai aren't just heads, the statues actually have bodies, hands with elongated fingers, and legs carved onto a lower section which is burried, leaving only the head revealed. - - Mikey - "so emo, it hurts"© 05:03, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Disney, the parent company of ABC, often uses four-toed characters in their animated movies. Could the four-toes just be a nod to Disney and the fact that the Others seem to have an interest in children?

Height

In Podcast#19, Carlton places the height of the foot at 35-40 feet. Damon responds that it's at least 60 feet tall, but I think he's just being facetious.

Not really important information, but the actual model from which the foot was shot (it's not CG, although it was bluescreened into the island) was about 4 or 5 feet tall.

Just a thought, if the foot is indeed 35-40ft tall, there's no way it could be from the Colossus of Rhodes, as that entire statue was approximately 110ft tall according to wikipedia. If the foot were 35-40ft tall, it would be almost half the height of the entire statue.ChenGOD

Yes, this thing would be way bigger than the Colossus, and it also appears to be made out of Granite (the Colossus was made of bronze plating over a framework of some kind). The foot is not supposed to be from the Colossus, but may have been inspired by it. --Y2mckay 08:09, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

cleanup

i have cleaned up the theories a little bit, but i'm still not happy (a lot of these theories intersect with each other in places). would a fresh mind like to try and clarify further? --kaini. 18:20, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

I'll give it a little go, though I think its so complicated at the mo it'll just confuse me! --Nickb123 15:16, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
Done a little bit of condensing, I merged a few similar theories and cut some repetition about how the 'incident broke the statue' (bit rubbish if you ask me but you know). I haven't done enough though really and the theories stuff could still be summarised more --Nickb123 15:27, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
I condensed the theories and organized them into subcategories, and Santa tidied them up a bit more (props for that). Should be a lot more digestible and organized now Y2mckay

Looks much better indeed from what it was, kudos! --Nickb123 12:21, 17 June 2006 (PDT) The evolutionary theory that a 4-toed human would be more advanced than a 5-toed one either needs to be cleaned up or deleted, as it is factually incorrect. Evolutionary changes only occur when a feature is desirable (advantageous or needed to adapt to a new variable). Loosing the small toe would almost never be desirable over having the toe. It is a common fallacy that evolution weeds out features in a species that aren't used (like the small toe) but in fact evolution does no such thing.--Johnny 19:23, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

That's not true - evolution can and does in fact weed out features that aren't used all the time. It's just not nearly as likely as the weeding out of negative features or the propogation of positive features. If someone was born with only four toes and it wasn't disadvantageous enough to stop them from reproducing, especially in an isolated enviornment, then it's definitely likely that a civilization of four-toed people could come about. It's not only basic science, but pretty basic logic as well, so if there's something that needs to be deleted, it's "Johnny"'s incorrect post. --grendel824

Yes, I agree with grendel. Take wisdom teeth for example. People have said that they're slowly leaving existence. Pinky toes may have been bigger at one point in time, but as time moves on, evolution has been deeming them as "completely useless". I mean, have you ever tried to wiggle your pinky toe? It's borderline dead weight. But, if that theory is true, if the statue was made by an evolved species, why does it look so ancient? Could the island be in some sort of futuristic nexus?DrodJenkins 12:58, 30 June 2007 (PDT)

Regardless of who agrees with whom, Johnny is right about evolution. There are a lot of popular myths out there, such as loss of our pinkies, wisdom teeth, etc. The examples given for pinky toes and wisdom teeth don't prove anything. "People have said" and "it is said" are not proof of anything -- people say lots of incorrect things, and popular notions of evolution reflect a lot of misunderstanding. Regardless of how "useless" pinky toes may appear, we still have them, like our appendix, and there is no proof they are disappearing or will disappear over time. Evolution selects for preferred traits, not against unnecessary ones. That is the most important thing I remember from my evolution class in college. For a race of four-toed people to occur, not only one but BOTH original male and female donors would have to be mutant four-toed people, and it would have to be a trait that is inheritable, which is a dubious proposition. Of course, it's possible that the writers of "Lost" misunderstand evolution like many other laymen. But to be accurate, if you are going to include this evolutionary "theory," please include the rebuttal as well. Please review evolution and natural selection in wikipedia. Jpgwriter 04:32, 11 January 2008 (PST)

Colossusof Rhodos

What material was the Colossus of Rhodos made of? Since it it referred in here... Although i think this is nonsense anyways since the island is not in the mediterranian.

I saw a History Channel special on it one time - I believe it was made of bronze plating over some kind of wooden frame. It was destroyed in an earthquake and the pieces were left sitting for a long time. The theory is that the pieces were eventually recovered and melted down for use elsewhere. I don't believe the statue on LOST is supposed to be part of the Colossus in any way, but may have been partially inspired by it --Y2mckay 07:59, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
The Rhodos Statue was made of stone covered with bronze plating. so this statue cannot be the same. The stone would not have had detailed contours and the statue was most likely in the city, not near the ocean (although medieval myths often place it there)

I nominate this theory for deletion. --aurora glacialis 11:49, 11 July 2006 (PDT)

Submersion

Could the fact that the foot is slightly tilted forward indicate that the rest of the statue may have fallen in that direction and is submerged? If the base is visibly off-kilter, it wouldn't take much for a 240 foot statue to lose it's center of gravity, would it? Maybe one foot broke off, and the other went down with the rest of the statue. --Beardog4314 16:45, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

It Could very well be the case. But for some reason, the more I study the pictures of it, the more it looks like just a lone piece that was dropped there on the rocks. I don't think the statue was built there (and since there was no sign of an ancient harbor or city around, why would it be?). I think that the foot got there the same way the Nigerian plane did. Of course, on this show, anything's possible. I just hope we learn more about it next season --Y2mckay 08:05, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
It's a little smart@$$, but the mental picture of a giant foot making a transatlantic flight (with people riding on the toes) before crashing on the island is very funny. I hope that's what happened!--Beardog4314 13:03, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

David and Goliath--references?

Is there a reference for the statement found under "David and Goliath"?

""David and Goliath" Theory An early name for Goliath was Alwt, an anagram for Walt (someone with psychic capabilities)" Pieces of arzt 12:58, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

Could the Statue be complete?

IIRC, there is a statue of an arm or leg -- not the entire person -- that was erected in a European town during the late middle ages because that body part played a key role in saving the town from destruction. What if the now-absent original inhabitants of the island had a story or myth wherein a four-toed foot played a significant part -- & there was never any more to this mysterious statue.

(I haven't added this to the article because I don't remember any further details about this unusual statue & a search at Wikipedia failed to identify the object I'm remembering.) -- Llywrch 10:02, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

white rajah theory

props to whoever came up with this; i'm a huge neal stephenson fan (and i have a feeling that someone on the LOST writing team is too; compare the allegorical elements of snow crash to the economic elements of LOST), and am slowly working my way through the (daunting, massive) baroque cycle trilogy. dunno how i didn't spot the parallels. and just for the record, cryptonomicon feckin pwns. some nice nanotechnology stuff in the diamond age as well, which might be remotely applicable to the show. --kaini. 19:17, 11 July 2006 (PDT)

i'm a big neal stephenson fan too, but i dont understand what you mean about comparisons between Snow Crash and Lost. Maybe you could explain further? Petrarch1603 12:23, 7 May 2008 (PDT)

Family Guy Reference

I provide the following as an in-progress proposed addition to the main page for Statue, and to present a tidbit which I believe to be heretofore unknown to the Lost Community. I do not argue that Lost is set in the world of Family Guy or any such thing, I just thought that, perhaps, there is some link here, as I found the resemblance uncanny. I still need to capture an image of the foot from the episode, and I also would like to find the exact time at which the foot appears. Thanks for reading, and I appreciate any response and help which the Lost community may give me!--Alakath 13:37, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

In Season 5, Episode 11 of the animated series Family Guy, entitled "I Take Thee, Quagmire" a statue of a four-toed right foot appears at approximately 12:40 into the episode, and again at 14:20. The Family Guy statue looks extremely similar to the Lost statue, leading some to believe, perhaps, that the Statue is an obscure reference to Family Guy. It is not believed that Lost takes place in the Family Guy universe or anything of the sort, but the resemblance is somewhat uncanny, leading some fans to believe that there may be a connection.

The Family Guy foot wears a sandal and is claimed to be the foot of the Statue of Liberty, which Peter has obtained as a gift for Quagmire's marriage at the cost of $437,000. However, in the image below it is apparent that the Family Guy Statue is entirely dissimilar to the actual foot of the Statue of Liberty. The foot should be taken to exist as the Statue of Liberty's foot in the world of Family Guy though, as it drives Adam West's character into performing Charlton Heston's final lines from Planet of the Apes.

"I Take Thee, Quagmire" originally aired on Fox on March 12th, 2006. "Live Together, Die Alone" did not air until May 24th, 2006, leaving the producers of Lost some time to fashion the Lost statue after the Family Guy statue. More information on the eppisode of Family Guy is available at I Take Thee, Quagmire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Above is a picture of a life-size replica of the Statue of Liberty's foot from the Statue of Liberty Museum.

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Above is an image from Family Guy at 12:38 into the episode.

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Above is an image from Family Guy at 14:21 into the episode.

K, Family Guy may have been what sparked your curiosity, but that doesn't mean it should be the Family Guy theory. The Liberty theory is a perfectly valid argument that the statue originates from similar means etc etc, but just because Family Guy used the foot doesn't mean they should be included. Its like there being black smoke on fire service shows, doesn't mean we'd call it the fire-show theory. K bad example, but you see what I'm getting at. If you wanna do a Liberty theory or whatever go right ahead, but I believe someone in the past wrote a Family Guy bit and it got deleted --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:42, 7 August 2006 (PDT)


Thanks for the feedback Nickb123! As soon as I get a screenshot, I think you'll see just how similar the two feet are. This is really not a theory as much as it is a reference. I am not trying to claim that the Lost foot is from Family guy, as I believe that is ridiculous. I am merely stating that its design and whatnot are so similar that it is very possible that the Family Guy foot influenced the design of the Lost foot. I understand your argument that there is black smoke from fire and whatnot, and that's not worth being included, but I think that this is SO similar that it's worth noting. If you wouldn't mind giving me some more feedback once I get the screenshot, I'd be much obliged. Thanks!--Alakath 14:11, 7 August 2006 (PDT)


Dude:

Like I said its been done before. I see the image, but I still think its nothing important. I think the Liberty thing may have influenced LOST and Family Guy equally, and so you're making a correlation from B-C when both originated from A if you get me. --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:04, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

I updated with my own pictures from the show. I don't know how the "Liberty thing" could have influenced either of them, when compared to the actual picture of the Statue of Liberty's foot. Also, for reference, in Planet of the Apes, we also do not see the foot.
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Hence, this is the only reference I have been able to find with a solitary sandaled foot which appears to be broken off from a larger statue of some sort. I think that this is at least moderately important in looking for a potential inspiration for the Lost writers' design, or as a "Shout out" of sorts to the Family Guy team from the Lost team. I'm not making grand overarching claims like the island that Chris became the leader of was actually the Lost island and yadda yadda yadda, I just think that the foot may be a reference to the Family Guy folks. That's it. I personally think that the two look similar enough that it warrants some attention.
Due to the disagreement we have though, I will not move my section to the article unless we hear from some other people as to their beliefs on the section's merit.--Alakath 17:23, 7 August 2006 (PDT)
Yeah fair enough, I'll wait and if there's a voting majority then thats fine. The Statue is a Lostpedia featured article though, and is supposedly a encyclopaedic role model for other pages, so I dunno if putting that theory on will be well-received. We'll just see what peeps say though before making a decision k --Nickb123 (Talk) 02:29, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Where should this pic go/if anywhere?

As seen through binoculars.
As seen through binoculars.

I capped that today and it seems nicer than the current main image, but the binocular parts make it dumb looking, but I didnt want to get rid of it because it's still cool.. --Sloths 09:46, 12 November 2006 (PST) <--- I forgot to sign this a couple months ago.

Monty Python Theory

The Monty Python foot[[1]]

My LORD, that has FIVE TOES. You seriously need help.--CaptainInsano 13:48, 19 September 2006 (PDT)

Theory: Linking the Valenzetti Equation

Moved theory to page. --Inertia 23:53, 21 September 2006 (PDT)

Atlantis Theory

Under "Atlantis or Mu as the origin" there is a bit of trivia that says:

  1. This could imply that the island is based on an underwater volcano, which would explain the prevalence of volcanic rock. (Though, of course, the series is filmed largely in Hawaii, which is made up of volcanic islands.)
  2. This would also explain why the Black Rock (the ship) is so far inland - it may be that 200 years ago the island was almost completely underwater, and the ship could have run aground then, and been raised up with the island since.
  3. With the prevailance of time travelers in the show, its possible that everyone is on the island of Atlantis, thousands of years in the past, which is why the island cannot be found in the present day, because it has sunk by the time present day has arrived.

The main issue with this is the fact that using the Volcanic Seamount Lo'ihi as a determining factor for speed: in 200 years there would be 21 feet of growth. Unless the island also has supersonic growth ability (which would cause massive tremors at alarming rates), I doubt this theory could be correct. Not only that, but what's it doing on the Statue page?--Onathinwhiteline 19:04, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Seriously

Some of these theories are absolutely idiotic!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beeth (talk • contribs) .

Separate page?

I was thinking of moving the Statue theories to the Theories page...but then there'd be nothing left in this article! Should I leave it alone? --Amberjet11 11:08, 14 November 2006 (PST)

Small reference

Claire also just had one sock done for Aaron while being drugged and kept by the others.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TomB (talk • contribs) .

Oooooooh, clever. (Isolation815 16:10, 16 April 2007 (PDT))

Isn't it? Exactly what I thought too. {TomB}

Shi-Tenno Directional Guardians

I thought this was rather interesting and could tie into why this statue is where it is...the fight between good and evil and mythology. I highlighted interesting characteristics of these statues in their description that could pertain to the island and its trials....

source: http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/japan/todaiji5.html


The Shi-tenno (literally, "Guardian Kings," but most often translated as "Directional Guardians") are deities, protectors of Buddhism, who guard each of the four directions of the compass (north, south, east, and west) from harmful and dangerous influences. Originally from India, the Directional Guardians were transmitted to China during the Tang dynasty (about 600 AD), and from thence to Tibet, Korea, and Japan. The Guardians appear in paintings, such as mandalas, and especially in temple sculptures, where they usually surround and protect a central Buddha image.


Stylistically, both sets of figures are obviously "Chinese;" their similarities are much greater than their differences, in spite of the more than 400 years between them. The Heavenly Kings are armored and cloaked; they carry weapons – trident and sword – and other attributes (see below). An animal head – probably a lion motif from Central Asia – is centered on their breastplates, and similar fierce animal heads guard their shoulders. Beneath their feet, the Guardians trample demonic figures that are usually descibed as "enemies of Buddhism;" these demons represent psychological states, such as ignorance, greed, and anger, which prevent people from receiving the Buddha's message. The "trampling" iconography is very old, and comes originally from pre-Buddhist cults in India, especially that of Lord Shiva. Three of the four trampled demons have cloven hoofs; the other one, trampled by Bishamon-ten, has four-toed feet and hands, which shows that he is a demon rather than a (five-fingered) human being.


Now with that being said, that statue could represent a demon. perhaps the others are demons? The psychological trials that the castaways have had to deal with definetly do centralize around these emotions...for example, Locke's anger at his disability, Jack's anger with his father, Hurley's greed with the food stash he kept etc. Perhaps it's just that the others AREN'T human and that is why they are represented as having 4 toes, as the demon is shown as being non-human because of the 4 toes and fingers. If they are indeed not human perhaps that is why they need the children. They use the children to essentially continue their species and then at a later date infect them with the "sickness" to turn them into one of them.

  • In Stephan King's Dark Tower series, to which many parallels can be drawn from Lost, there are non-human creatures called Taheen. They are humanoid, with animal heads, but some wear human masks to disguise themselves. They are very long-lived, and are mostly superior to humans physically and mentally, as it seems the Others are (Ethan Rom easily overpowers Jack, Juliette shows incredible reflexes and strength to overpower Kate). The Taheen, working for the Crimson King, oversee the Breakers, psychic humans working at a campus-like minimum security prison, where they are trying to destroy the beams that hold the universe together, and which run between the stations that bear a resemblance to the D.I. stations in Lost.

Hyperion? 

(rumoured to be called "Hyperion")

I removed this comment from the main page. Can someone find any kind of source for this? --Doc 09:31, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

Rename from "Statue" (Completed)

I want to rename this to four-toed statue because "statue" is to generic. Statue can also refer to the virgin mary statues, the Jesus Statue in Hurley's flashback, the O-shaped rock near the Decoy village, etc. Statue to me is too generic and if you haven't seen Live Together, Die Alone yet, the link could lead to a spoiler. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 13:35, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Or would a Statue Disambiguation (sp?) page be more in order?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   13:37, 28 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Yep, Statue would better serve as a disambiguation. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 13:38, 28 March 2007 (PDT)
Well I'd do that....if I knew how to work redirects and such. However, less I missed it we don't have an article on the Jesus Statue Hurley gave his mother so that won't need to be listed. Maybe add it to that catholic bit on the religion page.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   10:45, 29 March 2007 (PDT)
I'm afraid Mr. Crabby may have misinterpreted your question, and consequently you may have misinterpreted his reply. I suggest leaving the discussion follow its course normally before you do anything precipitous that may have to be undone. -- Cheers (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Rename There might eventually be other statues on the island, and some fans might think there already are. Lets for sure rename this one to Four-toed Statue of even Four-toed Foot Statue. [--pom5msu] [--talk] 05:34, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Rename "Statue" should be a disambig page --Blueeagleislander 18:25, 30 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename- Having something more specific sounds like a good idea in this case. -- Cheers (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename and create disambig page for thing such as Virgin Mary Statues, etc. -Mr.Leaf 19:32, 30 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename make this a disabiguation page, I think four-toued statue would be a better name for this.--Chef855 21:06, 3 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename to Four-toed Statue. Jakovexc0
  • Rename to Four-toed Statue.
  • Wait - Right now there's just the one statue (discounting the essentially irrelevant golden Jesus statue). When we have an article on another statue then we can rename this page and set up a disambig page. Anything else is just making busy-work, and creating a disambig page for a single article is rather pointless. --Doc 13:45, 5 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename agree with the above. four-toed foot statue or four-toed statue maybe. (Isolation815 16:22, 16 April 2007 (PDT))
    • Maybe like this:

"Statue" could refer to:

That's everything mentioned here, is this an adequate disambiguation page to please everybody? (Isolation815 16:22, 16 April 2007 (PDT))

Yes, I think that worksFat Burger 11:37, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

    • Rename to Four-toed Statue, definitely. Blackannis 08:13, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

If no one else has any objections, I'll do this now... (Isolation815 16:58, 29 April 2007 (PDT))

I sent you a message on your talk page, this kind of thing for anyone besides admins is a big no-no --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 17:02, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

(not titled by original poster)

I remembered Hillary's conquest of Everest and Tenzing Norgay's descriptor of the fabled Yeti, which had four toes on each foot. Here's a link to TIME Magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,859485,00.html?promoid=googlep

"An old explorer's legend cropped up again last week—the "Abominable Snowmen" of the Himalayas. Reporting on his sixth expedition to Mt. Everest, British Explorer Eric Shipton described in the London Times a hard, four-day climb to a great glacier near the high peak of Menlungtse. There, in the thin snow, he found the well-marked footprints of a strange, four-toed creature. Sen Tensing, the native guide, identified the tracks as the spoor of two "Yetis"—the same weird ogres first reported by an Everest expedition of 30 years ago.

According to awestruck natives, the Abominable Snowmen are half-man, half-beast. They have toes at the heels of their feet to help them climb and they live on human flesh, with an occasional yak thrown in."

Also note the Disney connection. Disney's Animal Kingdom opened a new attaction c.2004 called Expedition Everest, in which the final turn of the roller coaster brings the rider face to face with a Yeti.

The Others

Have we ever seen Ben's or any prominent Other's bare foot? --Van Tiki 12:38, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

I think we do at the end of "The Man Behind the Curtain", when they are walking into the base camp. I will have to dig up screen shots first though to confirm. From what I recall though their feet are not in good focus, so it may be hard to confirm. I cannot recall any other time they have been shown outright in clear focus. --Suddud (Talk) 21:21, 9 May 2007 (PDT)
I re-watched the end scene and none of the feet are shown in clear enough detail. Maybe someone with high-def could confirm, but at the same time removing a toe from a foot is something they'd only do with make-up for close up views of the feet. --Suddud (Talk) 13:33, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Rename (to correct capitalisation)

  • Rename to Four-toed statue (lowercase 't' and 's'), in line with Lostpedia naming conventions--TechNic|talk|conts 18:39, 12 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Speedy rename: Cause I just like saying speedy. --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:58, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

Unanswered Questions Cleanup

I deleted the two original questions below becuase they made assumptions that weren't even in the article and referenced a misunderstanding of the answer in Access Granted. The pertinent sentence is "Right and I think you know obviously the fact that they are Hieroglyphics and we found a four-toed statue that’s also something from the past." No reference to the statue being built by the Egyptians and the previous line only called the Hieroglyhics to be "sort of traditional Egyptian Hieroglyphics." The first question, without the Egyptian reference, is overshadowed by the "Why does the statue only have four toes?" question. The second question, without the Egyptian reference, is unnecessary because we don't know if the statue was built before the invention of ocean-faring ships or not. Wikistoriographer 09:30, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

  • Why did the Egyptians build a statue with four toes? (Lost Access Granted, Darlton claimed the Egyptians built the statue.)
  • How did the Egyptians get to an island on the other side of the planet? (esp. before the invention of ocean going ships)
'Tis bad wiki form to delete other peoples edits in talk pages. You would do better to strike-through the text and/or archive off to sub pages - but you should never delete talk page comments. Unless this is your wiki and you can do whatever you want with it. --Mespinola 14:04, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
  • For the record, I didnt delete peoples talk page comments, I deleted questions from the main article that didn't make sense. I put them into the talk page for the benefit of anyone that disagreed with me that might want to replace my deletion. Since noone has, I'll assume my edit was proper. Thank you for making me feel like a bad member of the community, though. Wikistoriographer 10:01, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
  • It was a poor assumption on my part I guess. You said you deleted other people’s questions, but there was nothing to discern as to which page. So the default assumption was that it was the same page (this talk page). I don’t know why any of this would make you feel bad. As you can see from what I wrote, I specifically mentioned talk pages. Since it doesn’t apply, there isn’t anything to feel bad about. Plus, what did I write that was "hurtful" to you? I would honestly like to know future reference. --Mespinola 09:26, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Skanda and the Dharmapala

I have been doing some of my own research on the foot and other various imagery we have seen in the series. I think the foot may be that of a Sri Lankan Bodhisattva statue. A Bodhisattva is an 'enlightened-being' in Hinduism. This could be particularly relevant to the Lost time-line splintering aspects, as Bodhisattvas encompass the present as well as all of their past lives to achieve that enlightenment.

I made a connection to Bodhisattvas from researching Sri Lankan statues because:

  1. There is an image of a Sri Lankan statue in the brainwashing video. This statue could be of a Bodhisattva.
  2. Sri Lanka is known for giant statues.
  3. Ancient Sri Lankan statues have been known to have four toes.

In relation to the Sri Lankan Bodhisattva statues, there is a Chinese Bodhisattva called Skanda. Skanda is a "Dharmapala who guards the Dharma".

A Dharmapala is a type of wrathful deity. The name in some contexts directly means "Dharma-defender", while Dharma translates into the “way of life”, specifically as laws that keep the universe together: Sanatana (eternal) Dharma (laws of nature). A Dharmapala is a defender or protector of that law. All of this falls under the general Hindu concept of RTA, which is the "the "order or course of things". Dharma is the philosophical foundation for RTA.

Now, I don’t claim to know all of this specifically, but considering the type of lore that the creators seem to use for different events and aspects of the island, I think this might just fit. Comments and discussion welcome. --Mespinola 14:47, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Season 4?

Didnt a producer/writer or somebody say we were going to learn more about this in season 4? :\ --Xbenlinusx 14:22, 18 May 2008 (PDT)

Well there are two less episodes b/c of the strike so it might've been pushed to S5. --CTS 14:22, 18 May 2008 (PDT)
I highly doubt it's going to be explained in the first 2 episodes of S5, and that if it were planned for season 4, there would have been at least 1 episode leading up to it or discussing it. We were lied to, and I know there are few other things that were going to be "explained" in season 4 that have never been brought up, I think like Rousseau's background (the actress is now living in Europe, so much for that!). Is there a list somewhere of what people on the Lost team said was going to be explained this season? Because I'm fairly certain, 90% of it has not been explained. They just blow smoke at the fans. --Xbenlinusx 20:54, 18 May 2008 (PDT)
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