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Archive 01 - May 25, 2006 - July 13, 2006 (Approximate)

More Cleanup?

What else can be done to clean up this page? Any suggestions? --Señor Eko 09:07, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

• Please remove this tripe from the Trivia section: "A yoga instructor's random bit trivia: Dharma Mittra, creator the the famous 908 yoga poses chart and guru in NYC, is originally from Brazil and speaks Portuguese, same as mysterious duo. Also, the farewell of Nameste at the ending of the orientations is a bizzare yoga connection."

Done and done --Señor Eko 10:53, 3 August 2006 (PDT)

• Although this is a dual episode, the synopsis is far too long, especially now that we have full transcripts. Either shorten the synopsis, or add a "summary" or "abstract" section with a 2 or 3 short-paragraph piece of text. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T02:32, 17 September 2006 (PDT)

The Timing of the Discharge?

I've been wondering if the timing of the Discharge event is known for certain. When the bright light and noise end, is this 20 or so seconds after the turning of the key, as we see it, or does it coincide exactly with Desmonde turning the key? Loki 23:14, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

It effected different parts of the island at diferent times. Closer=Earlier Farther=Later.--CaptainInsano

rewriting

Changing to past tense, trying a new sectioned (numbered) format for the flashbacks, and reducing length as a whole for conciseness. A synopsis should be a summary, not an exhaustive paraphrasing of the transcript; some things can and should be omitted. Will continue over the next few days. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 21:04, 17 January 2007 (PST)

• My first impression of the numbers: The numbered paragraphs look strange to me. I thought they were typos at first. What do they signify?--Dagg 06:05, 18 January 2007 (PST)
  • I gotta agree, I thought we'd agreed to ditch the "FLASHBACK 1" things at the start of paragraphs and use prose instead. Also, the tense is different to how we normally write episode reviews. I honestly can't be bothered caring much, but please just tell me whats happening now for when I rewrite more articles so I know how everyone else wants them to be formatted. Personally, I preferred the old way like on Maternity Leave, as its easier to read than pictures every line messing up the justification - but thats just my opinion, and I'll follow whatever consensus is reached --Nickb123 (Talk) 03:45, 23 January 2007 (PST)
    • It's way too messy and alot harder to find infomation needed. I dont get the Numbered paragraphs in the flashback, what are they for? --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  07:34, 23 January 2007 (PST)
      • I rewrited "Realtime events" and put them into present tense (If i missed something, please fix it) Jakovexc0

The Red Things

When Jack, Kate and so on are on the Pala Ferry some of the others are holding some red things in there hands and I want to know what they are... -- PROJECTX23

Maybe they're the "Tazers" used in Season 3? CJDTrismegistus

Date of flashback scene

I dont know if determining the date that elizabeth met desmond is importand or not but the banknotes that he has in his wallet are british £5 notes issued after may 2002 --TimmyWimmy 12:31, 29 August 2006 (PDT)

Probably an crew error. Since he was suppose to be there for 3 years. The crash happened in 2004. 2004-3=2001.--CaptainInsano 12:33, 29 August 2006 (PDT)

The Discharge & "I think we found it."

In the AH part of the Sri Lanka Video, it was mentioned about changing the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, and perhaps the discharge has. Hence, the guys at the listening post phoned PW to tell her that the inhabitants of the island have found a way to change the values. --5-8-15-16-23-42 04:29, 1 October 2006 (PDT)

No, Penelope had them posted there to find Desmond, not changing the Valenzetti equation. Also, TLE has no impact on events in Lost according to the producers, things out of TLE aren't going to be the basis of any story in Lost.

Unless you think that the producers are willing to change a perfectly good reason for Penelope and the Listening Station, change the infamous numbers, and alienate a large % of the viewers by betraying them with TLE stuff, it is as likely to happen as "Henry" marrying Sayid. --The Smiley-Faced Balloon 04:32, 1 October 2006 (PDT)

"1bbybby 77111790" - Unlikely to be significant, but it's surely no coincidence that the first half of this fragment of the terminal text looks a lot like "Libby". Fatcatfan 13:29, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

January 2007 cleanup

• OK I finished a first draft of cleanup. This is what it used to look like, take a look and actually try to read the whole thing. I couldn't. The reason it's bloated is because the synopsis is a paraphrasing of the transcript, only with less details and less accurate, but retaining the disadvantage of jumping from location to location to follow each shot in the order it was broadcast.

  Changes: 1) past tense, 2) conciseness edits: remove quotations, remove excessive descriptions, remove minor details (that were taken from the transcript but have not place in a synopsis), 3) number the flashback scenes. I felt I had to do this since flashback, by definition, do not form a continuous narrative-- each flashback is a different unrelated scene (as opposed to realtime island events, which can continue between scenes. 4) combined the realtime island events, even from nonconsecutive shots, as long as they occurred in the same day (or similar), as well as illustrating each with a screencap.

  It's still a bit long for a synopsis for some tastes, but since this is a double episode, I figured that was fine.

-- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 02:16, 20 January 2007 (PST)

• Wonderful job you did. Only thing is, I'm still not crazy about the numbering (and some get blocked out anyway when the pictures on the left); but the content itself was condensed very well. Thank you for your time. --PandoraX 07:08, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Please see above for my comments, under the "rewrite" subheading. Basically the same thing, just that I prefer prose to numbers and think pictures should be like they usually are, as having many pics messes up alignment and makes reading the actual article more difficult. Also there's the issue of tense consistency - but otherwise yes a better written article --Nickb123 (Talk) 07:21, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Also, my issue against tense is that past tense is less powerful when describing the events IMO. My idea of a good episode article would be Adrift, or Maternity Leave - a good compromise between both different styles would be good --Nickb123 (Talk) 07:51, 23 January 2007 (PST)

I agree about the numbering. The numbers are bad. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 07:59, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Discussion: Current "image-flooded" look

I just passed by this page lately, and I really acknowledge all the hard work and input that was paid here to get this article together, and dramatically improve its organization..However, I really wonder why is there sooo many pictures in this article ? Do we really need this amount of images? Also, why are the images mostly not in thumb form ? To be honest, I like the content, but IMHO really see no point of all these non-thumb images, which is a clear inconsistency to the rest of episodes we have around. I have noticed that this article is currently nominated for a featured article, which if wins would even increase the already existing danger of motivating editors to imitate its look, which I'm not sure if all approves of..I would like to hear your thoughts guys ? -- 18:58, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Maybe the article looks different on Santa's monitor? I'm trying to read this article at 1024x768 on a smallish laptop, and the text is fairly unreadable. The margin at the left side jumps around every 2-3 sentences, and sometimes only one or two words wrap around and are shown underneath of the image. It basically looks like this:

+--------+ Text text text text text text text text
|        | Text text text text ... text text text
+--------+ .. Text text text text text end of 
paragraph.
+----+ Text text text text text text text text text
|    | .. Text text text text text text text text
|    | ... Text text text text test text text text.
+----+ Text text text text text text text end of
paragraph.

And then all the paragraphs in the Realtime

events

section are indented, which again changes the

left margin. I guess I'm not used

to the left

margin changing for every paragraph. -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 22:41, 29 January 2007 (PST)

• Could be browser width, especially if wide, but it's a valid point. Right justification should help. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 23:34, 29 January 2007 (PST)

• OK made that change, and I agree it is for the better. There is still a bad interaction with the episode infobox on the right side; if someone could toss the article content of each section into a discrete 1-column table to hold it, that should help. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 23:42, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Discussion: Previous "text-flooded" look

• Synopses were previously problematic (play-by-play paraphrasing of transcript-level detail); it was unreadable (try to read it from end to end here if you want to try actually reading the whole thing), especially in light of the existence of a transcript, which is the better alternative; a synopsis is a summary digest. The content of synopses were rendered to be more concise, and separated by scene, which made this double-length episode more digestible. These scenes were numbered as an experiment, but immediately previous discussion indicated that numbers were not desirable. The numbering was replaced by mini images. In short, the images each denote a scene, rather than being random decoration for the article. The images are small because they are being used in this different way. In this way, the previously unmanageable length of the synopsis (of this double episode) is now essentially indexed by scene. An alternative would be to format the synopsis as a table, which is a format where images seem to be more prevalent in Lostpedia. Much of this formatting was done before, and in response to, the comments on the AOTW page that you cite. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 19:43, 29 January 2007 (PST)

• Furthermore, a growing consensus seem to be that episode articles here in Lostpedia are (still) in sore need of attention. Some solution is merited, and the status quo is not desirable (in addition to the tense issue, which is being discussed elsewhere). Regarding your use of negatively loaded descriptions: Your opinion is that the look is "image-flooded", and I propose that it is not, due to the fact that the images are not merely decoration (In which case it would be over-deocration) in light of their utilitarian scene-labeling function and small size. I'd further claim that the past look was "text-flooded". What I ask of editors who are offering opinions on this matter, rather than look briefly at the images then decide, try making a sandbox edit, then try to to actually and honestly read the synopsis from end to end as a usability test.-- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 19:47, 29 January 2007 (PST)

The Pictures

No other article has a format like this one. The words need to be severally cut down and the pictures need to be formatted like the rest of the site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quint (talk • contribs) .

Agree I agree completely, I don't like the picture format --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 08:53, 24 February 2007 (PST)

• Fixed pictures (put them into thumbs). Jakovexc0

Receptionist

Just out of interest, who was the receptionist in the episode? I don't recall seeing any kind of receptionist. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 12:19, 9 March 2007 (PST)

• Cathy Foy's scene was apperently cut --Hunter61 00:23, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Whom did Sawyer shoot?

I'm sure it's been asked before, but the guy Sawyer shot in the jungle, from the one glance we got, looked kinda like Wickmund/Candle. Thoughts? JoelVanAtta 20:16, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Answer to Unanswered Question: "Why did Desmond not remember the first system failure until it was too late?"

He does remember. But he's not sure if it really was him stopping the System Failure or if it just stopped itself, which would make it unreal too. Also he's not sure if all that shaking actually does harm and "destroys the world" as often mentioned before. Then, reading the logs, he figures that it all does effect things outside of The Swan and that it probably really was him stopping the System Failure.