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Shouldn't "Are the Hostiles the indigenous descendants of the people who built the 4-toed statue?" be a question?

I believe the Hostiles were much like the Others today, not a homogenous group but an admixture of the different people who came to the Island throughout the times. Besides if you look at the only Hostile we know (Richard), he is caucasian and speaks with an american accent. So it doesn't look like the Hostiles are indigenous to the South Pacific (or maybe just a very few of them).--Lauridsen77 12:36, 17 May 2008 (PDT)

Desmundo

  • I hope people are making the connection that Desmond only referred to people as the hostiles because he heard Kelvin talk about them.. People seem to think that Desmond has had some sort of previous knowledge of them. Whilst there is a small chance thats true, i sincerely think that Desmond knows as much as we do, i think weve seen everything thats happened to him thats relevant on his time on the island so far. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 14:11, 9 March 2007 (PST)
    • Desmond wouldn't have had chance to meet the Others. He only left his hatch the one time he was on the island. Princess Dharma (banned)
    • Yeah I think that's pretty explicit from the flashback scenes between Desmond and Kelvin. Which also cements the idea that "the Hostiles" is just the Dharma term for the Others. --Jackdavinci 15:08, 9 March 2007 (PST)
  • However it would be cool idea to make Desmond "destined" to the Island.--AC 03:35, 29 July 2007 (PDT)
  • It seems to me that a possible source of The Hostiles could be descendants of survivors of the ship Black Rock - same as descendants of Bounty mutineers are living on Pitcairn Islands. They could established settlement and lived there in pre-industrial society until DHARMA people arrived - that would also explain bare foot, wood cottage for living. They could be considered hostiles by dharma people arriving to study island. And studying of their society could have been part of DHARMA interest on the island. Also considering that this possible descendents had longer time to understand "what the hell is going on this island" --Merlin Sawall 19:26, 10 March 2007 (PST)
    • I agree, especially considering the following comments on the official podcast of 10-16-2006:
      • When Ben said that he has been living on the island all his life it implies that there were people on the island before the Dharma Initiative, which started around 1980 (as per the orientation films). Rosseau arrived on the island about the same time as the Dharma people. Carlton also said that one should also remember the statue and the Black Rock.--Hunter61 04:50, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
        • Yes, I also think it was likely that they were on the island for longer than Dharma. If the island had been uninhabited (or inhabited by 'friendlies') why would Dharma have such high security in their barracks? Indeed, barracks is a military term - If they were just building accommodation why wouldn't they call it something more like 'the campus' or another less defensive term.--TechNic 13:58, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Why is There Another Article On This?

They are the Others, that much is clear beyond speculation. TPTB said the episode would explain the relationship between the Others and DHARMA, which it did, calling them "Hostiles" (not the first time they've been called that). Also, when they were having the conversations in "Enter 77" Sayind and co. were always talking about the Others and referring to them as "Hostiles". Afterwards, when Mikhail is found to be one of them he doesn't make any distinction. Also, even if this weren't enough and some thought they are still a separate group of which we only know Mikhail.....Ms. Klugh was there, she is an Other, and so is Mikhail, and it's made pretty clear in the episode that they are the same people.


The point is, we shouldn't make a separate article when it's clear through various sources that they are exactly the same people. --Sauron18 11:58, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

We do not have any "killer-proof". Even if it seems obvious we have to wait for confirmation. It is still possible they are different people. BeŻet 12:01, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
Logic aside, we do have the entire concept of the episode, a character connection, as well as dialogue that refers to both groups as the same. --Sauron18 12:03, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

The reason this page is separate is for consistency. There is a sepreate article for the Purge and the Incident and so it must be for this. It is of no inconvenience to you at all Princess Dharma (banned)

The difference is that the connection between the Others and the Hostiles IS actually within the episode and it's more than speculation, while that between the Purge and the Incident isn't itself proven within the episode.
I’m sorry, but there is no way to doubt that the Hostiles are the Others. Even if we were to ignore logic, and BtS info, and such, the episode itself presents us with the confirmation.
Mikhail refers to the “Hostiles” when he is in his Dharma façade, saying that the Initiative began a war against the Hostiles. A purge. All throughout that conversation they refer to the Others as the “Hostiles”, still I see how that may not be proof. However, afterwards, when it’s revealed that he is not a member of the Initiative Sayid asks if what he says about the Initiative attacking his people is true, to which Mikhail responds that it is. This means that his people are the Hostiles, by his own words, and we know he is an Other because he was with Klugh.
Therefore, the Hostiles are the Others, based on dialogue by the characters who would know about it and the context of what is happening. --Sauron18 13:33, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
TPTB have also said there could be two factions of "others". I think this page should stay separate until we know for sure they are the same.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 13:38, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
Mikhail responded to "A purge? A group of scientists attacked your people?" with "..believe what you want but that is what happened". One can understand this in many ways. Anyway, there are many reasons for separate articles; until we have proof, we cannot join them. BeŻet 15:16, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Sure, the Hostiles are the Others but I think that this should remain a separate article because the term Hostiles can be used to describe the Others before the purge. - Gries818

That doesn't mean there should be two separate articles. You can merge the two and writ something like "The Others (also known as Them and The Hostiles). Keeping two separate articles for the same subject makes no sense--Gonzalo84 16:29, 19 January 2008 (PST)

I do not believe that the article should include: "The Others" (also known as Them and The Hostiles). Rather, I believe there needs to be separation between the two names and an explanation as to the group's history, specifically in regard to the modification of their name. That being said, I am indifferent as to whether the two articles should be merged or not. As long as there is some distinction, whether it be a separation of articles or a significant distinction, it's fine. --Davis 17:19, 19 January 2008 (PST)

Merge

  • We should merge this as in the 3/20 podcast, Damon says, "The Hostiles, aka The Others". This, to me, confirms they are one and the same. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:42, 21 March 2007 (PDT)
  • DON'T MERGE PLEASE See my comments below. -- ZachsMind
  • Merge If we can get the quote, or if enough people have listened to it, then this is a no-brainer merge. --CastorTroy 09:46, 21 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge: Damon and Calton said it. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  13:00, 21 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge: The fact that "the hostiles" was the DHARMA Initiative name for the Others was stated several times by Damon and Carlton during the 3/20 Official Podcast. --Gateboy42 15:18, 21 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Confirmed by 3/20 podcast - "And we learned what the DHARMA Initiative called the Others, which is not the Others" "The Hostiles" "That's right." [...] "The Hostiles AKA the Others." etc. --Jackdavinci 00:22, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge as by poddie --Blueeagleislander 00:25, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge as per all above.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   09:00, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Looking pretty unanimous here. Triptolemus 09:35, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Though it was always pretty clear, this is confirmation. --Sauron18 20:45, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • MERGE. It was confirmed, they are the same group. 'Hostile' is a term used by dharma for the others. Mia 18:05, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge No question. --RabidTroll 22 March 2007
  • Merge yep. --TechNic 10:27, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge --aberlours 15:22, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
  • As said above, I think the vote is pretty unanimous. So whoever has merging powers or knows how to merge....--Sauron18 15:33, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge --Nintyplayer 04:38, 25 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Purge.. umm Merge--moss ryder 09:14, 26 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge --Berethor222 17:12, 28 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Theorised. Canonised. Confirmed. The others are the the Hostiles. See comment below.
Also, wondering out of curiosty, at what point has a delete/rename/merge vote had enough votes cast on one side in order to be deleted/renamed/merged?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   09:42, 27 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Skeejay 08:54, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Supported --Jazza|talk|Contributions 15:13, 20 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge Could someone with merging abilities please merge this? --Sauron18 19:12, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge, but keep the original content intact. -- Iron Man  Send a message  View contributions  19:14, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge should have been merged a month ago --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 19:16, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
    • Yes, surely by now? This vote has been open for a whole month and the tally stands at 20 in favour and 1 against!--TechNic|talk|conts 08:25, 22 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Merge see above
  • Don't Merge Yet: We know there are separate factions of the others. I think we will know more by the end of this season, if not this week regarding their history.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 10:38, 7 May 2007 (PDT)
  • DON'T MERGE: From "The Man Behind the Curtain", we learn that The Hostiles are people who were on the island before the Dharma Initiative. Ben was never a "Hostile", but sided with them in the Purge. Juliette and anyone else brought to the island after the purge would be considered Others, but not members of "The Hostiles". --Bdjsb7 06:38, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep separate: They're obviously the same, but it might be nice to have a subheading on the Others page about other names, and then a link here for a more detailed description of them under this name rather than merging it all into an already quite long page. --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:50, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep separate: Richard is a hostile. The Others have been shown to be a larger group that (for now) includes the hostiles along with ex-DHARMA (Ben) and people recruited from the outside. There should be a seperate list of hostiles kept. The content of this article should be rewritten based on all the new information. Dharmatel4 07:38, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • DON'T MERGE' because The Hostiles are the natives of The Island and The Others are people Ben brought to The Island. WarthenMan

  • Don't MergeWhile the hostiles along with some later recruited Dharma people (Mikiel and Kelvin at least, if not Juliet) are now the Others, The Hostiles should be investigated as a group in parallel with the DHARMA Initiative. The "Hostiles" are those local to the island prior to the coming of the Initiative. While some Others are or were Hostiles, not all were, thus a seperate page for this sub group of Others.--ASEO 12:32, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge for reasons already stated, which became clear in The Man Behind the Curtain Oanjao 15:51, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge for the reasons above. --Soul Provider 16:15, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge. The Hostiles and the Others are two separate groups. The former refers to the "natives" on the island before the Purge, and the latter refers to the combination of the natives and the surviving Dharma members after the Purge.--Randnotell 16:53, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge (for the time being) I agree with Randnotell; but I would review this decision after knowing more about how the group evolved. Maybe the only non-hostile, non-Alex, non-Juliet, non-Oceanic Other is Ben?--Ltsiros 15:05, 25 January 2008 (PST)

RESULT : Not gonna be merged. Since "The Man Behind the Curtain" The hostiles have taken another angle altogether.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  02:12, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Not The Same..

I do not think it wise to merge these two terms and I'll tell you why. Quite simply put: they are not necessarily synonymous. We don't know enough yet to presume that. Damon and Carlton say a lot of things. Sometimes they say things purposefully to throw us off the scent.

The Others This term was originally coined by Danielle Rousseau. The Oceanic survivors on the island from the Fuselage start using this term after she utters it. From Rousseau's perspective, 'the Others' essentially means the people who took her daughter. Since she allegedly hasn't investigated more fully than that, we don't know if those 'others' are all the people currently there. We know that Ben has taken Alex under his wing and calls her his daughter, but we don't know all the details that led up to that. He may have been directly responsible for her being taken from Danielle, or he may have rescued Alex from those who did, and decided taking personal responsibility for her was better than giving her back to the mentally unstable Rousseau. Or there's other options that haven't been revealed yet. I submit that it is plausible, what we now call the 'Others' were at one time either Dharma scientists or hostile natives (i.e., survivors of prior wrecks on the island predating Dharma arrival). I don't think The Purge ended with a clear-cut winner and loser. The Purge could also be called The Merge.

The Hostiles This term has only been used thus far by Kelvin, Desmond, and Mikhail. Desmond only used it because Kelvin did. We presume based on observation that Kelvin was a recruit for Dharma. Does this make him an 'Other'? Not necessarily. The Purge may have happened while Desmond & Kelvin were still inside the Hatch. Those still running The Swan were forgotten and left unattended, because the Dharma Intiative's experimentation was interrupted by hostile forces. Where did these hostiles come from? We presume that Mikhail and Bea Klugh are 'Others.' Bea was working with The Others when Michael and Walt met them. This could mean that Others are synonymous with Hostiles, or it could mean Bea and Mikail are both survivors of the Dharma Initiative. OR it could mean Mikhail was a hostile and Bea was from Dharma, and the Purge ended when those surviving the war between Dharma and the Hostiles came to a truce and merged into what we know of now as 'The Others.' It's also possible that an individual may be an outsider and become accepted into Ben's attempt at developing a benevolent dictatorship. In other words, there may be many on the island, like Rousseau, who are 'hostile' towards the 'others' and on a case by case basis, are accepted into the community of 'others' when a 'hostile' learns to follow the laws of the 'others' and choose to behave themselves. In fact, incarcerating Jack, Sawyer, and Kate may have been the 'others' attempt at conditioning them so they'd eventually join their family. -- ZachsMind 16:27, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Addendum It boils down to this. Anyone who is not a part of Ben's circle, can be described as an outsider, and therefore 'Hostile' to the 'Others.' Ben would use the phraseology of good guy and bad guy. This could mean that the Fuselagers are technically Hostiles. Anyone not a part of Ben's Solution becomes a part of his Problem. -- ZachsMind

  • Dating the purge to post-2001 is very problematical. Based on evidence right now, I would say it had to have happened pre-1988 or 1993-95. But any date for it creates a situation where someone has lied.

What we know for sure right now is:

  • The others in the sense of the article of that name means the people who are currently living at the barracks. We know enough that Rousseau is not necessary to define what they are anymore.
  • The DHARMA Initiative was destroyed probably in the first half of the 1990s.
  • But a large box of food, with Dharma logo, has been dropped during a night
  • There was a war between DHARMA and the hostiles.
  • Dharma was concerned about the hostiles (see the video at the Flame)
  • Incarcerating Jack was about getting a doctor for Ben.
  • The Others have never used the term hostiles. The closest they have come is that one man was "not a good person".
  • It would seem that the person has to be on the list or be a young child to be invited to join the others. They are willing to work with people not on the list, but that doesn't mean they will be allowed to join them. Dharmatel4 17:49, 28 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but it must be said. I'm thinking maybe the Hostiles were the original inhabitants, BUT the others, were the Dharma workers/ scientists that Joined the Hostiles, there one big gang, 2 sub gangs, ya know?


Still... to much speculation to break into two articles... they are the same group.--Gonzalo84 17:55, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Please present arguments rather than ignoring everything said and stating your conclusion. Dharmatel4 17:01, 19 January 2008 (PST)

The Same

I'll put it in a few words. There was once a tribe of people in the Island which DHARMA called Hostiles and the two groups were at war. Then the Hostiles won with some inside help, and they took over everything from DHARMA, some time later, Danielle Rousseau ran into the Hostiles, but since she was not DHARMA, she called them the Others. Two names for the same group. Its like a tribe... even if they are joined by outsiders, the tribe's name doesn't change. Its the same tribe.--Gonzalo84 16:45, 19 January 2008 (PST)

Plus, Damon himself has stated they are the same group.--Gonzalo84 16:47, 19 January 2008 (PST)
The Others incorporated the hostiles and in that sense they are the same group. But in a different sense the groups as they existing before and after the purge deserve to be documented seperately. The hostiles were made up of people like Richard whose origins on the Island are unknown. The others are made up of the former hostiles, dharma people and people recruited by Ben. The hostiles have enough of a different identity and history to justify their own article. Dharmatel4 17:07, 19 January 2008 (PST)

Explanation for foreign speakers

Could one of you native speakers explain to us foreign speakers the difference between 'hostile' and 'enemy'? I've looked up the former in a large dictionary, but it only listed it as an adjective (being hostile to so. or sth...) but not as a noun. --Prolinesurfer 12:13, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

This is from a dictionary. It covers a definition of as a noun

Noun: hostile hóst(u)l [N. Amer], hóstI(u)l [Brit] Troops belonging to the enemy's military forces

Example use: "the platoon ran into a pack of hostiles"

I think the use of hostiles as a noun derives from military usage in the united states. It started off by being used as an adjective such as "hostile forces" but was shorted into a noun "hostiles" through usage.

The difference is that "enemy" has a political and personal context:

An enemy is one who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of someone.

A hostile is someone who fights for your enemy, but doesn't necessarly hate you or oppose you for political or ideological reasons.

The workmen of the DHARMA are hostiles from the perspective of Richard Alpert, but his enemies are the people running the initiative. Dharmatel4 12:48, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Thanks. It should be translated in the German episodes. I'm going to rewatch an appropriate ep. --Prolinesurfer 13:06, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

I've rewatched ep. 2x24 and they've translated it as "Feinde", which is the usual translation for "enemies". --Prolinesurfer 17:22, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Question on how the Hostiles got in

I deleted an unanswered question that roughly said: "How were the Hostiles able to get into the Barracks after the Purge?" I deleted it because I thought it was fairly obvious that the Hostiles got in because Ben gave them that day's security code for the fence (everyone working for DHARMA either knew the code or could access it fairly easily, as shown by the fact that Ben was able to get hold of it as a kid).--Timmythegreek 15:36, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

Yes, basically that is the most likely possibility; you were correct to do so.--CaptainInsano 19:37, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

The Purge

I see a little error in the date but I'm not sure if there's sufficient evidence to change it or change the conflicting error. Let me explain. The Purge happened on Ben's birthday. Elsewhere on Lostpedia Ben's birthday is noted as December 21st. Either The Purge date is wrong, or Ben's birthday is noted wrong here on Lostpedia. I personally think Ben's birthday is the 21st (since the current date is known to be the 23rd and two days before that was Ben's birthday). Which date do you guys think?  Liveweak  11:40, 31 December 2007 (PST)

  • On second thought I changed it since the timeline also states December 21st as the likely date. If I'm wrong it can still be discussed.  Liveweak  11:47, 31 December 2007 (PST)


MERGE VOTE, ROUND 2

Merge... first of all, merge won in the past voting, plus Damon himself has said the Hostiles and the Others are the same group. Even the two articles say they are the same group. Plus Wikipedia and the Lost Wikia have only one article.--Gonzalo84 16:49, 19 January 2008 (PST)

  • Dont Merge - The hostiles have a history with DHARMA initiative that covers a large amount of time. The two articles do not say they are the exact same group. The hostiles became the others but they are not necessarly the same thing as the Others. What Wikipedia does is irrelivant. The article covering the Others is already long and there is no sense to pushing even more information into it for no good reason. Dharmatel4 16:56, 19 January 2008 (PST)
  • Don't Merge - The Others are just a generic name for the group. There obviously are "Hostiles" in the Others (Richard), but people like Juliet have never been a part of a group called "Hostiles" by anyone. Even if they are the same group, the seperate articles are nice to keep track of the history of the group. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 17:02, 19 January 2008 (PST)
    • Also read the bottom line of the above merge nom
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RESULT : Not gonna be merged. Since "The Man Behind the Curtain" The hostiles have taken another angle altogether. Plkrtn talk contribs email 02:12, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

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The previous nom winner was Don't Merge.

That new "angle" was merely backstory.--Gonzalo84 13:37, 20 January 2008 (PST)

Comment at the Lost wikia at Wikipedia

One group... one article.--Gonzalo84 14:46, 20 January 2008 (PST)

.The truth is that "merge" got more votes in the past voting, though the "mand behindthe curtain" argument was used to give the victory to the "don't merge" side.
You are wrong. Before "man behind the curtain", there is little information about the hostiles and very little to put into an article. But whatever consensus existed before "man behind the curtain" changed after it was broadcast. The article was substantially enhanced and it was decided not to merge. That merge discussion is over and you have yet to show any new facts or new reasoning for why another merge discussion is necessary. This was settled months ago with no real objections. Whats the value of pushing an existing good size article into another large article? Dharmatel4 20:41, 20 January 2008 (PST)
Because, even though i'm not a mergist or deletionist, I truly believe that the separation of "Others" and "Hostiles" into two articles is completely arbitrary.--Gonzalo84 12:50, 23 January 2008 (PST)
  • Don't Merge While the Hostiles and the Others may now be considered one merged people, they emerged from several different factions. The Hostiles existed on the island before the purge, but the Others also include members brought to the island after the purge, i.e. Juliet. The only confirmed member of the Hostiles to be an Other is Richard. -- WanderingMathematician  talk  contribs  email  15:11, 23 January 2008 (PST)
  • Don't Merge The Hostiles are a distinct group of people who were on the island. They may or may not have been there prior to Dharma, but they obviously don't agree that Dharma is a good thing. The Others are a new group, comprised of former Dharma members( Ben Linus ), the Hostiles( Richard Alpert, et. al. ), and new recruits( Juliet Burke, Mikhail ). Granted, this train of though requires a page for "The Recruits". --Samhain99 06:43, 28 January 2008 (PST)
    • I don't think we need an entry for "recruits". At least not YET. There's been nothing on the show to establish the newer recruits as being a distinct GROUP within Dharma with their own history, aims, agendas etc. If we do find out that there is some sort of group unity among the newer recruits then an entry would make sense but at this point their not distinct enough from The Others to get their own entry.
  • Don't Merge for all of the reasons that everyone is saying repeatedly. --Ghtx 09:56, 1 February 2008 (PST)
  • DON'T MERGE The Hostiles and The Others are two distinct though related groups. The generally accepted usage among the fans I know is that the Hostiles refers to the people who were in active conflict with Dharma up through the Purge. The Others refers to the people who Ben now leads. While the Others are descended (metaphorically) from the Hostiles, they are a distinct group. Chief among my reasons for thinking so is that the Others are a conglomerate of people. Some of them are original Hostiles (Richard). Some of them are ex-Dharma (Ben). Some of them are newer recruits (Mikhail, Juliet) . I think that the Hostiles deserve their own article as a distinct group in the same manner that The Articles of Confederation will usually receive a separate article from The United States Constitution. While the Constitution is obviously an ideological descendant of the Articles the Articles are distinct enough and important enough to rate their own article. The same is true with the Hostiles.
  • Don't Merge: I think there is no room for discussion here. Although defining the groups is similar, they are different groups. The Hostiles were the "DHARMA's Others" (people who were on the Island before the DHARMA people came). After the purge, Ben joined the Hostiles, they did what they did, brought people from the outside world, took people from Flight 815 and now they are The Others. The two groups existed in different time periods and consist of different members so they are not the same group. --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   10:43, 3 February 2008 (PST)
Can we wrap this up? In my opinion, re-proposing merge on the same grounds that were decided previously against wasn't valid. The consensus is clearly on the side of not doing the merge just as it was before. Dharmatel4 10:52, 3 February 2008 (PST)
Agreed. The consensus here is no merge. If we learn more information maybe a new round can be open but unless it is drastic information i think the same outcome will prevail. -Mr.Leaf 12:59, 3 February 2008 (PST)
BTW, so far the only DHARMA member that joined the "Natives" was Ben... no mention of other DHARMA member. And we have no idea wher did Tom, Beatrice, Pickett and Colleen came from.

Why Not Merge?

Can someone please explain why this page isn't being merged with Others. It has been canonically stated by the producers in Access: Granted that they are one and the same. Regardless of opinions or theories, Hostiles and Others are the same....isn't that what the producers stated, or am I missing something? --CTS 12:40, 17 May 2008 (PDT)

Read the various arguments above. The basic idea is that while The Hostiles group evolved into The Others group, the transition that occurred during the Purge created enough of a change in the group to merit having the pre- and post- versions of the group each having their own article. The separation of articles doesn't mean they are two different groups, it just means that two different eras of the same group are distinct enough to merit separate articles. This is not an air tight argument, but we don't have much information yet so a call was made. We're not going to revisit the issue until a future episode addresses the history of the Hostiles in greater detail. --Jackdavinci 12:52, 17 May 2008 (PDT)
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