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AA

Hey Dagg, after going through the very long revision history for Animals, I've decided you win the AAA for this week. Very, very close between you and Santa but visually you did a fantastic job with the template, and I also really liked those three little pics under DHARMA (I put elsewhere, maybe we could do that with other articles? Its very cool visually in between text like that). Anywayz here's the medal, and very well done, I've nominated it for AOTW cause it really does look good. If you want the medal smaller, User:Nomad seems happy in allowing people to use the code he used to make it a funky infobox to conserve space. ... medal moved to user page ... --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:03, 4 February 2007 (PST)

GOSH

Main Articles

Hey, I saw you added my Main Article thing; thanks for that. Would you mind also adding "Main article:", "See main article," et cetera, as these comes up quite a bit too :) --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  11:23, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Regarding "See Also"

  • Hmmm... no, I don't think so, as most of the time, "See Also" is a header, and then the pages are listed below it. What do you think? --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  11:50, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Other Ideas

  • Also, now that you got rid of ep outside of brackets, why not make it "crossref" instead?? I think that's work great!! Then we could do all the crossrefs easier :D Although I reckon a lot of them have been done :D --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  11:52, 6 February 2007 (PST)
  • And a final idea: Could you add something so that when you click the button, it inserts {{Crossref|XXxXX}}. That way we can click that every time we want to insert a crossref rather than manually typing it. Hey, what can I say.. I'm lazy ;) Hope all this is possible :D --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:00, 6 February 2007 (PST)

It Works

  • Dude it works now! Thanks a lot! If you could just do the crossref button, that would be AMAZING! Thanks so much! :D --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:31, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Button

Talk Page

I am so sorry I though it was a theory page :-#. --Princess Dharma (banned) 08:52, 9 February 2007 (PST)

How to use the Age template

  • Hey, as you were able to help me last time, I thought I would ask you again, if you don't mind. I'm having a problem with a new template I'm creating. It can be seen here: User:Mr.Leaf/Voice actor template. And a test of it here:User:Mr.Leaf/test. Everything works fine except the bottom row which is supposed to display the person's age using the age template.

Here's an example of whats already there: 

 !{{Age{{{DOB-en}}}2008|07|8}}

I believe my problem is the variable in it ({{{DOB-en}}}) however I'm looking for a way around it without having to enter the actual whole age template on the page the template will be used on. Basically I want something like the birth date and age template however without the date, just the age. I have tried to my hearts content to understand how the age and birth date and age templates work, with little success. I understand the basics but not enough to know how to implement them in my template. So my question is this: Is there a way to allow a user to enter the person's birth date as part of the overall template and have it calculate the age, as just "40" or whatever. I'm trying to make this template as simple as possible. If this doesn't work I can always manually put the age template and fill it out on the actual article I am using the voice actors template on however, that I wish as only a last resort. As you seem to have some understanding of wiki code I thought I'd ask you. Thanks -Mr.Leaf 16:33, 12 February 2007 (PST)

  • Template:Age is an interesting template that I've never seen before: {{Age|1959|03|28}} = 49. For your template, I think you'll need to divide up the month, day, year into separate variables. For example: {{Age|{{{DOB-year-en}}}|{{{DOB-month-en}}}|{{{DOB-day-en}}}}} . The '|' immediately after the {{Age is important. Make sense?-- Dagg talk contribs4 8 17:27, 12 February 2007 (PST)
  • Okay, that's what I though I would have to do, it makes sense, I just hoped there would be an easier way, then having to enter 18 more variables, but I guess thats the way it is. Thanks though -Mr.Leaf 17:34, 12 February 2007 (PST)
  • Thanks for the idea, however I discovered the fact that the wiki or template (not sure which one) only allows one of the templates to work on each page, meaning I am pretty much stuck except for manually calculating the age and entering it. But thanks anyway. -Mr.Leaf 13:11, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Template:Ep

Did you create the template:ep by yourself, or copy it from another site? I'm only asking because User:SilvaStorm is taking credit for it on Wikipedia.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 09:25, 5 March 2007 (PST)

I've taken the liberty of removing it due to it being a violation of our license :) -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  11:58, 5 March 2007 (PST)
Maybe we should just leave it... its not like we don't adopt WP stuff - fair is fair I guess... --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:08, 5 March 2007 (PST)
True, but then again I'm not having Silva take credit for stuff that isn't his. If he were to edit it to be similar in function to our version, but not be identical (except switching x for . ) then he can do what he likes. But its just a blatant rip as it stands -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  12:14, 5 March 2007 (PST)

GOSH

Dagg, this tool is fantastic. Is it up to date for Lostbook usage?  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  02:22, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Minor

Could you please lable the licensing of images as minor so it doesn't have to take over my recent changes. Princess Dharma (banned)

Good point. I'll do that, thanks. -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 16:05, 7 March 2007 (PST)

GOSH

  • Hey Dagg, would you mind updating your "/lostpediacleanup" subpage to include the newest episodes, like Par Avion and Expos. Thanks, Marik7772003 16:37, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Your Opinion

  • Thanks. I decided to change the usual black-blue colours to reds to represent crime and death and things. I just wanted to know whether it worked or not. Thanks a lot for your input! --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  01:48, 11 March 2007 (PST)


AA

Hey Dagg, you get the AAA for work on the Miracles article. Thanks for all your hard work. Feel free to move this template to your userpage or copy the smaller infobox other users have been doing instead. Thanks again for your efforts,

Article Attack Award

Dagg

This user has been awarded the "Triple A" for carrying out the most valued edits on the Miracles article, which was flagged to the Lostpedia community as the article of the week in need of attention.


--Nickb123 (Talk) 14:37, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Template:ep

I am working on a wikia for the Golden Girls, and I really love the Template:Crossref and Template:ep. Will you allow me to use them on this other site, and if yes, can you show me how? --Danchan22 17:00, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

The submarine was not destroyed

Why have you reverted this artical?? I deleted these theories as the last podcast states that he blew up the sub --Hit and miss 08:33, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

Podcasts

  • Was wondering if you had any ideas from improving Unofficial podcasts for the AAA, as it seemed well-suited to your organizational skills. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 01:23, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

These Navs

Hey Dagg, like the new template design. Go ahead and add it around to other character pages. As you've probs already seen, we're working on a proper Items portal, which your template can then hyperlink to under "Items", here. --Nickb123 (Talk) 08:56, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Ep Template

  • Hey there! I have just made a new wiki and I'm just getting it started. I was wondering if I would be able to use your ep template? Of course, I would credit you directly for having made it.... Would that be OK? Thanks, and regards, --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  03:48, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Thank you so so much! That is fantastic! Am I OK to use crossref too? And also, for some reason, around each title when using the template, it has two speech marks, so ""Blah"". Why? --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  08:19, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

Template Ep Trial

  • FYI, I thought I would take a look at the sizes of a page with template ep (old and ur new one) for 3 eps. See my sandbox. When using the old template:Ep the pre-expand size is 6643 bytes, the post-expand size is 104 bytes and template argument size is 12 bytes. With your new template, pre-expand size is 1946 and post-expand size is 1914 with an argument size of 0. As pre-expand size seems to be what template limits works on, it looks good to me. (6643 vs. 1946) -Mr.Leaf 14:59, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
Sure, why not, i don't think anyone should have a problem with it especially if it cuts size down and fixes these problems. -Mr.Leaf 15:42, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
P.S would you mind adding
“

<noinclude>{{protected}}</noinclude>

”
on the templates as you create them, thanks. -Mr.Leaf 15:44, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
I have unprotected Template:Ep if you wish to edit it, let me know when you are done so I can re protect it. -Mr.Leaf 15:57, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
Okay, i've done all that and the ep template work fine however Template:link is now messed up because of it although it does fix the problem on the crimes page. -Mr.Leaf 17:47, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
I have managed to temporarily fix template:link by removing the feature of have the ep name show up. It now just shows ep number(default) which link to the correct episode page anyway so that isn't too bad. However template:Crossref is also not working now and I can't figure that one out. -Mr.Leaf 17:56, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
Unfortunately i had to revert template:ep back to the old version at least for the time being. It was messing up all the theme templates and lots of link templates, and just too much to leave until it could be fixed. I've taken a look at the templates its messing up but I can't figure out how to change them. if you wouldn't mind when you have the time looking at them to see if you can fix them so we can use the new template:ep it would be much appreciated. Just so you know, Template:link was not working for anything except an episode title, template:crossreff did not work if there was more than one ep crossrefed at a time. Ie <crossref|3x10|2x11}} or if it was anything other than an ep name. -Mr.Leaf 18:17, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
Done, everything seems to be working now. A minor (not major) problem would be the fact that when template:crossref is used on a page for something other than an ep # on the bottom of the page where it lists all the templates used it lists Template:ep/whatevers in the crossref as a red link even though it is not used on the page. The crossrefs appear normal, its nothing major, just something if u can think of a way to fix it. -Mr.Leaf 19:17, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
Thanks, i don't know how you find all this stuff or know it, glad you're here to help. It's much appreciated. Everything works now and the crimes page the pre-expand size is 1/4 that of what is was before the new template was implemented, so we should be good for a while. Thanks again -Mr.Leaf 14:03, 30 April 2007 (PDT)


Literary techniques

Hey Dagg, I created a new page in my sandbox about the idea of symbolism under literary techniques. Its obviously a device used on the show, but I'm a little dubious about adding it as its rather a subjective idea, bordering on theorising. Would you have a quick look, and see if it fits into your idea of literary techniques? Here's the page, User:Nickb123/sandbox. Thanks, --Nickb123 (Talk) 11:20, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Cheers for looking at it. I agree that I think its a little much to add disclaimers at the top of all the articles. I think it'd be better to state in the introduction that its obviously a subjective matter, but that's what you have to expect when analyzing literary techniques, as unless you made it you don't know the thought processes that have gone into it. Some are obviously more explicit than others though like you say. I'll still add it as an article, just keep my eye on it in case it starts having stupid additions. --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:06, 13 May 2007 (PDT)
Btw, could ya remove the cats from your sandbox of all the Season 1 ep articles, they show up under all the centric-episode categories etc linking to your page. Cheers, --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:14, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

"Plot Twists"

Hi. I have no argument with including the phrase "Plot Twists", but I disagree with it as a replacement for the (controversial) term. Your doing so can be seen as an attempted "end-run" around the debate currently going on, and as a stealth attempt at censorship. --Doc 11:38, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

Yes, the difference between the two should be considered, and possibly discussed - especially since there is the ongoing debate.

You stated that you thought Jack's playing football was more appropriately a plot twist, but I strongly disagree. That scene was part of a series of scenes showing Jack in a context that intentionally leads both the other characters and the viewers into questioning Jack's loyalties. This was more than just a sinple plot twist and was an effort by the show's producers to mess with the viewer's minds. --Doc 11:50, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

More on "Plot Twists"

The more I think about this, the more I'm coming to believe that for the term "Mindfuck" to properly apply, there has to be more than one "Plot Twist", or the "Twist" has to overthrow a substantial and supported world view in favor of a completely different one, or repeatedly flip back and forth between two completely contradictory states with each change being thoroughly explainable and wholly consistent.

By such guidelines, the ending of "The Sixth Sense" would be a simple (but strong) plot twist, but the entire movie "Deathtrap" is mindfuck. You'r thoughts? --Doc 11:58, 29 May 2007 (PDT)


Hi

Hey Dagg, I just wanted to drop a friendly note on your talk page because of the recent discussion disagreement in the deletion review. I wanted to say I've held you in the highest regard and have always respected your edits, so I didn't want one article to cause any bad feelings. I talk a lot but try not to take things seriously, and if I do, then I remind myself this is after all on a trivia encyclopedia, and I should keep that in mind. Anyways so: Cheerios, Howdy, and all those good vibes. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 15:16, 21 June 2007 (PDT)

comments

I looked at your first URL and that user is an admin at wikipedia, and came into lostpedia rubbing every sysop the wrong way by writing wikipedia-styled justifications on many many different talk and policy pages attempting to make large scale changes in his first week here, without understanding the community or how it works here. It was clear he was treating it as wikipedia, where recourse to their rulebook so to speak and discourse at great length is the norm, which is made possible and necessary by the sheer size of the community there. Here our community is really only a dozen or two regulars and any rules are being developed and necessarily changed as we grow as a site, so the decisions are not necessarily based on strict 'rules' since the rules themselves are still under development-- also the scope of lostpedia is much smaller, so we have much more tolerance of small irregularities, whereas at wikipedia small formalities of formatting are a HUGE deal for total consistency across all topics of science, politics, literature, religion, pop culture, etc., and that is one issue (article naming consistency) where Silence has seemed unreasonable IMHO, and frankly inconsiderate of the existing community here. All of us have been exasperated, and while some of us have been trying to be understanding, Silence has done some odd things such as go against sysop requests and just being short and abrasive in his own comments due to belief in his wikipedia community-type logic. For example he made a huge format change to one part of a portal (I think it was episodes) without any discussion at all, which was reverted by a sysop (Mr. Leaf), then he immediately returned and did it again with some curt justification. The user has made some nice copy edit contributions, i.e. normal contributions, to articles, but these have been far outweighed by the quantity and frequency of attempts to change policy across the entirety of Lostpedia with little consideration to the existing community (so far, although I've been attempting to explain patiently). If plkrtn is being impatient with this user, I can easily see why. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 10:47, 22 July 2007 (PDT)

  • haha good point. However this one user was putting pages and pages of content in talk pages, in addition to making huge changes in the main article space based upon his own internal justification. In short he was reallocating our limited resources. The exasperation was in the attempts to explain; you may review my talk page comments to him, as well as on talk pages that he posted to. That he should largely ignore these attempts is exasperating. See for example Lostpedia_talk:Ideas and Talk:Main_Page#Removing_featured_articles. I was not aware of any bans, and just noticed it now. It's a tempban that expires tomorrow so I don't think it's a big deal. I think we'll have an internal sysop discussion at some point. Thanks for your concern though, we'll all monitor it together, but I too am concerned with our limited time-resources that we not spend it on the management of a single user for more than a limited frame of time. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 11:07, 22 July 2007 (PDT)

Re:Bunny comments

Looking back at it now, I was a bit harsh. I was in a bad mood for reasons unrelated to the Internet and Lostpedia, and kinda vented some out on Silence. --Blueeagleislander 00:19, 25 July 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Literary techniques

Dagg, I'm asking you respect the consensus from Talk:Unreliable narrator and not revisit it on Literary techniques. I've commented to you on Talk there, and well as asking Robert K to look at the situation because re-adding it against consensus repeatedly is edit warring. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:51, 24 April 2008 (PDT)

I went over there and gave my opinion, which you two are welcome to comment on. I didn't see recent edit warring in the article history. If it's there, someone needs to point it out. Robert K S (talk) 10:02, 24 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Dagg, I want to say we all draw mistaken conclusions on occasion, usually from bad sythesis or from a position of lack of knowledge on a particular subject (or both). Showing you are incorrect is not meant to be mistaken as commentary regarding your intelligence, okay? -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:10, 27 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Four, if not five, people have told you already that Lost does not have specific examples that fit unreliable narrator. The NAVminor template is used in articles for Lost examples of literary devices; therefore, UN does not belong on that particular template. Please stop readding it; it's very annoying. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 11:38, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

I think it's time to stop the childish edit wars. Consensus is really simple: if you have it, you go with the edit, if you don't you go with the status quo. Stop re-re-reverting. It's against policy, and it's really ugly. --     c      blacxthornE      t     11:56, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

  • If you are looking for personal approval on a wiki, you are in the wrong place. I don't know you to like or dislike you; however, I do not like the spamming actions you perpetrating. Editing out incorrect and misquoting additions has nothing to do with personal assessment, and everything to do with your seemed determination to spam unreliable narrator across the wiki. The Desmond article is not the appropriate place for an external link with a misquote from the Washington Post. Finally, I did not call you names, and I did not use strong language. I pointed out that you are using misquotes, and are adding specific examples of in-Lost usage despite being told by multiple editors that it's wrong. Stop spamming, and you will stop being corrected. It's that simple. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 23:05, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • For what it's worth, I went and checked out the article in question. I had assumed it would be about how maybe the flashbacks aren't reliable - that they represent fallible memories, a theory I disagree with. But actually, the article is trying to figure out what the significance is of the Swan orientation film being hidden in the novel The Turn of The Screw. The article suggests that the writers might be trying to get us to pay attention to the idea of the unreliable narrator (within the show, not as a writing technique of the show itself), suggesting maybe Desmond's story is suspect or perhaps the story suggested by the film. I personally doubt the former but could support the latter. This link might be valuable on the literature and Swan Orientation film pages. We have seen evidence that DHARMA edits and even falsifies information in it's films - on the other hand we haven't seen much evidence of Desmond doing the same. So I would suggest it belongs on the other two pages but not the Desmond page except if just for completeness sake. --
Please stop inserting your comments between my reply and the original post by Jack. Your comments are unrelated to the point above it, and are improperly inserted, making my disjointed. It's bad form per General_usage_guide#Article_Talk_Pages("Maintain the order of discussion. Don't add stuff in between comments, even if it's your own. It makes reading easier if all the comments are in chronological order.") -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 09:38, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

Gosh!

It seems like the "Format episode titles" button on the GOSH console doesn't always work--for example, it doesn't turn [[The Shape of Things to Come]] into {{ep|4x09}}. Is there some maintainance that has to be done on the tool whenever new episode titles are introduced, or does it automatically get that information somehow on the wiki? Robert K S (talk) 09:16, 8 May 2008 (PDT)

nm. I think I found and fixed the problem. Robert K S (talk) 09:19, 8 May 2008 (PDT) Nope, still doesn't seem to work. Robert K S (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2008 (PDT)

Is something going on with GOSH at the moment? My console seems to have disappeared. Robert K S (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2008 (PDT)

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